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June 4, 2010 at 8:51 pm #27716
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Participant/how many cars will I need to sell before I can even breathe in the same room as a nikon equivalent.
None. There isn’t a Nikon equivalent 🙁
June 4, 2010 at 11:05 pm #27717Elsinore
KeymasterWell hm..on further reading of that lens review, it mentions the effective apperture is quite a bit smaller than stated aperture. I’m not sure how that works, or how that works without introducing a boatload of diffraction softening by f/5.6 or f/8. Damn all this math…
Yeah, the thing is that people talk about changes to “effective aperture” when talking about macro lenses, but that can actually be quite misleading. When you focus closer by moving the lens further away from the camera, you lose light due to extension (the lens is projecting a bigger image circle, so there’s more light getting lost inside the lens, and less light falling on the sensor/film). People tend to call this a change in the aperture because they’re used to dealing with exposure in terms of three variables and it clearly doesn’t fit into shutter speed or ISO, but it’s not actually affecting your DOF or diffraction the way an actual change of aperture would, it’s really just light loss due to extension (it’s called “bellows factor” in large format shooting: www-unix.oit.umass.edu/~rbhome/bellows15.pdf).
This doesn’t necessarily apply to internal focusing lenses though. They’re focusing by changing the optical formula of the lens which can alter the effective aperture (as well as shortening the effective focal length in many cases).
Ahh ok, that makes more sense. I know the light loss works that way with the extension tubes, too.
Also, orionid: You weren’t the only one caught up in the “swapped image” thing…Procedural Texture lost some images too. Dunno what’s up with that, but hopefully neither of you lost too many votes in the process 🙁
June 4, 2010 at 11:40 pm #27718Curious
ParticipantAlso, orionid: You weren’t the only one caught up in the “swapped image” thing…Procedural Texture lost some images too. Dunno what’s up with that, but hopefully neither of you lost too many votes in the process
don’t know about swapped images but i’m sure i lost at least 50 votes while my images were down. and that’s per image 🙂
June 4, 2010 at 11:43 pm #27719Elsinore
Keymaster😆 LOL!! if I could mess with votes like that, they sure as hell wouldn’t let me keep playing 😉
June 5, 2010 at 3:24 am #27720orionid
Participant/how many cars will I need to sell before I can even breathe in the same room as a nikon equivalent.
None. There isn’t a Nikon equivalent 🙁
Boo.
Well, while I’m making that PK-Nikon conversion ring…… Might as well shoot for canon, too…… Oooh, the possibilities there… Imagine the strange looks I could get from purists on either side of the aisle walking around with flashy-white L lenses on a nikon….
June 5, 2010 at 3:26 am #27721orionid
ParticipantAlso, orionid: You weren’t the only one caught up in the “swapped image” thing…Procedural Texture lost some images too. Dunno what’s up with that, but hopefully neither of you lost too many votes in the process 🙁
Weird.
June 5, 2010 at 3:32 am #27722orionid
ParticipantWell hm..on further reading of that lens review, it mentions the effective apperture is quite a bit smaller than stated aperture. I’m not sure how that works, or how that works without introducing a boatload of diffraction softening by f/5.6 or f/8. Damn all this math…
Yeah, the thing is that people talk about changes to “effective aperture” when talking about macro lenses, but that can actually be quite misleading. When you focus closer by moving the lens further away from the camera, you lose light due to extension (the lens is projecting a bigger image circle, so there’s more light getting lost inside the lens, and less light falling on the sensor/film). People tend to call this a change in the aperture because they’re used to dealing with exposure in terms of three variables and it clearly doesn’t fit into shutter speed or ISO, but it’s not actually affecting your DOF or diffraction the way an actual change of aperture would, it’s really just light loss due to extension (it’s called “bellows factor” in large format shooting: www-unix.oit.umass.edu/~rbhome/bellows15.pdf).
This doesn’t necessarily apply to internal focusing lenses though. They’re focusing by changing the optical formula of the lens which can alter the effective aperture (as well as shortening the effective focal length in many cases).
Well, so much else on that lens is counter-intuitive, and non-standard, I can only guess that it’s simultaneously internal and external focus and the rear element approaches the sensor as you magnify. This would compensate for some light dropoff, but not much. At that level of magnification though, a DOF of even a millimeter would be huge, so, I’m leaning towards just declaring it PFM.
June 6, 2010 at 3:51 am #27723orionid
Participantthese contests are like golf, right? the lowest score wins?
Man, you’ve got the worst golf score EVAR. You must really suck at this game.
/Seriously though, congrats on the kick-ass this week.
June 6, 2010 at 4:04 am #27724olavf
ParticipantWhat’s funny is that I bought her a set of clubs for her birthday…
June 6, 2010 at 4:06 am #27725justkat
ParticipantSo I do suck at golf, but thanks, man, this was an awesome week for me.
June 6, 2010 at 4:48 am #27726lokisbong
ParticipantCongrats justkat!
June 6, 2010 at 5:40 am #27727Elsinore
KeymasterCongrats justkat (and to olavf for the two of you with the husband/wife 1st/2nd 😉 )
June 6, 2010 at 6:10 am #27728nobigdeal
ParticipantCongrats justkat (and to olavf for the two of you with the husband/wife 1st/2nd 😉 )
YAY!!!!!!Kat!!!! 😀
June 6, 2010 at 7:37 am #27729bucky_bacon
ParticipantCongrats kat!
June 6, 2010 at 4:08 pm #27603U-Man
ParticipantJK and Olavf, cleaning up with One, Two, Four and Six!
Good stuff. Congrats.
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